Summary
We run Incus/LXC system containers inside a DStack CVM. For our storage, cgroup, and reboot semantics, the Incus daemon runs as a PID 1-owned host systemd service rather than as an ordinary application container.
The integration works, but the application currently owns an imperative host-service installer and its complete reboot, readiness, update, and rollback protocol. We would like DStack to provide a constrained, declarative lifecycle contract for this class of host service.
Existing DStack mechanisms
DStack already provides host execution mechanisms; this request does not claim otherwise.
At current next commit 312dc605ebaaf93372534ffb135ea011533d28e9:
app-compose.service is a host systemd oneshot that runs app-compose.sh and remains active after the script exits.
app-compose.sh supports a pre-launch script, Docker or nerdctl Compose, and a bash runner.
- The vsock
HostApi exposes Info, Notify, and GetSealingKey.
These are useful imperative building blocks, but the current public contract does not describe a typed host-service declaration with persistent/boot-scoped resources, service ownership, readiness, or rollback semantics.
Why an ordinary Compose service is insufficient for this workload
For our required deployment model, the Incus daemon must:
- own a delegated cgroup subtree for nested system containers;
- use host-native ZFS state under
/dstack/persistent;
- remain a PID 1-owned service independently of the finite installer; and
- receive explicit persistent and boot-scoped binds into a content-addressed userspace root.
Our current integration therefore uses a finite privileged Compose job with host PID/root access. One centralized nsenter --target 1 boundary verifies a pinned payload, materializes a boot-scoped root, installs runtime systemd units, binds persistent state and boot-scoped resources, starts the daemon, and checks readiness. A mismatch or partial generation fails closed.
This is workable, but every consumer of this pattern must implement and secure its own installer, convergence, reboot recovery, update, and rollback logic.
Requested capability
Please consider a constrained host-service declaration that can express:
- a content-addressed and authenticated payload;
- explicit persistent state and boot-scoped runtime mounts;
- bounded systemd unit properties, capabilities, cgroup delegation, and ordering;
- readiness and health conditions; and
- atomic update, reboot recovery, and rollback behavior.
The declaration should be authenticated and capability-scoped. We are not requesting unrestricted host command execution, and the implementation need not extend HostApi; a parallel mechanism would be equally suitable.
Namespace-safe host resources
One concrete edge case is resolver projection. On the released image, /etc/resolv.conf was an absolute symlink chain ending under /run/systemd/resolve. Reading it through a container's /host root bind resolves the absolute target in the container mount namespace and misses the host file. Current mkosi source similarly creates /etc/resolv.conf -> /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf.
Our installer handles this inside the PID 1 mount namespace. A declarative contract should instead document or provide a namespace-safe projection for host resources consumed by the declared service. We are not requiring resolv.conf to be a regular file.
Suggested acceptance criteria
- A declared service is restored to ready state after an unchanged CVM reboot.
- Persistent state survives reboot and application update, while boot-scoped resources are reconstructed.
- A failed update leaves or restores the last ready generation.
- The application does not need a host-root bind or
nsenter to install and reconcile the declared service.
Scope
This is a feature request, not a report that DStack Compose or HostApi is broken. Incus networking/kernel compatibility is tracked separately.
Summary
We run Incus/LXC system containers inside a DStack CVM. For our storage, cgroup, and reboot semantics, the Incus daemon runs as a PID 1-owned host systemd service rather than as an ordinary application container.
The integration works, but the application currently owns an imperative host-service installer and its complete reboot, readiness, update, and rollback protocol. We would like DStack to provide a constrained, declarative lifecycle contract for this class of host service.
Existing DStack mechanisms
DStack already provides host execution mechanisms; this request does not claim otherwise.
At current
nextcommit312dc605ebaaf93372534ffb135ea011533d28e9:app-compose.serviceis a host systemd oneshot that runsapp-compose.shand remains active after the script exits.app-compose.shsupports a pre-launch script, Docker or nerdctl Compose, and a bash runner.HostApiexposesInfo,Notify, andGetSealingKey.These are useful imperative building blocks, but the current public contract does not describe a typed host-service declaration with persistent/boot-scoped resources, service ownership, readiness, or rollback semantics.
Why an ordinary Compose service is insufficient for this workload
For our required deployment model, the Incus daemon must:
/dstack/persistent;Our current integration therefore uses a finite privileged Compose job with host PID/root access. One centralized
nsenter --target 1boundary verifies a pinned payload, materializes a boot-scoped root, installs runtime systemd units, binds persistent state and boot-scoped resources, starts the daemon, and checks readiness. A mismatch or partial generation fails closed.This is workable, but every consumer of this pattern must implement and secure its own installer, convergence, reboot recovery, update, and rollback logic.
Requested capability
Please consider a constrained host-service declaration that can express:
The declaration should be authenticated and capability-scoped. We are not requesting unrestricted host command execution, and the implementation need not extend
HostApi; a parallel mechanism would be equally suitable.Namespace-safe host resources
One concrete edge case is resolver projection. On the released image,
/etc/resolv.confwas an absolute symlink chain ending under/run/systemd/resolve. Reading it through a container's/hostroot bind resolves the absolute target in the container mount namespace and misses the host file. Current mkosi source similarly creates/etc/resolv.conf -> /run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf.Our installer handles this inside the PID 1 mount namespace. A declarative contract should instead document or provide a namespace-safe projection for host resources consumed by the declared service. We are not requiring
resolv.confto be a regular file.Suggested acceptance criteria
nsenterto install and reconcile the declared service.Scope
This is a feature request, not a report that DStack Compose or
HostApiis broken. Incus networking/kernel compatibility is tracked separately.